Friday, March 23, 2007

The Flintstones go to St Lucia











Err...I'm sure you must have heard about our Freddie's pedalo exploits.. well, if you're either on Mars or even worse aren't a Cricket fan, then I'll try and forgive you.


Basically, Freddie Flintoff, playing for England in the Cricket World Cup, bummed off one night with some of his mates, breaking Camp rules, got drunk into the early hours culminating in falling off a pedalo in the sea and having to be rescued.


I say no more, England's winning mentality rears its ugly head, words fail me. Sadly my partner in Cricket crime -Young Boniface is no longer at hand. All I shall say is this, Freddie was simply acting out his namesakes part. Don't forget he's Freddie Flintoff- named after the far more intelligent Fred Flintstone. As for the pedalo, well have you noticed the similarity with Fred Flintstones car, its too frightening to be true, I leave you to judge.
Seriously though, what is it about prodigiously talented British sportsmen, George Best and Gazza coming to mind. I would however ask my auusie friends not to get shirty, after all Ricky Ponting was caught with his nose in a Vat a few years back and like this instance discipline was strictly enforced.
Boys!

Sally Clark


This has to be one of the worst tragedies in the Justice system in this country. I shall not rehearse the facts, we mostly all know.


I will make no comments in respect of Professor Roy Meadows, I hope his conscience and hopefully a civil claim will see him brought to justice, questions also to be asked about the verdict of guilty delivered in the face of substantial contrary evidence against Roy Meadow's "expert" evidence.


Sally Clark died when she was imprisoned, not last friday. My heart goes out to her husband, who had to cope with the loss of two children and now his wife, especially after he courageously stood by his wife through all and her young son.


All I can say is that we are all guilty in some fashion, the inquisitorial system which we sadistically subscribe to either actively or passively and which is propelled by the mindless jobsworth army, resulted in this woman's suffering. My only comment is that it could have been anyone, it could be you tomorrow, life is cruel make no mistake.

Mortgage Shortfalls Pt 2


Just trawling at random through an old post on Mortgage shortfalls, I noticed a comment on the post, which was originally published on 13th June 2006. I don't know how long this query has been on and I hope my response is stil helpful/topical to both the enquirer and any other person in similar situation. I have repeated the query, my response and the original post in the same order.
E.... said...

Dear Seal, Can you please help me?I purchased a property with a girlfriend in August 1998. I was resident in the property until early 1990. It would appear the other mortgagor struggled to make payments and the property was repossessed in July 1996.
The property had a shortfall of £45,000 (but claimant is claiming interest up until now therefore wants £64,500).The first I knew of this was in February 2006. At the directions hearing I was told serve a Defence.Can I use the CML agreement as a defence? Let me explain further.In the Claimant’s Disclosure there is no copies of correspondence or telephone attendance with me or the other mortgagor between the possession of the property and since the Claim Form.
However, there is a trace report dated 01/04/99 which recommends Claimant contact the defendant at my place of work. There is also letter from Claimant’s solicitors date 06/11/2001 stating they have written to my address and received no response. At the time of this letter I was living elsewhere, but my wife was still living there.Is this shortfall statute barred after six years?I cannot afford legal representation and fall outside the legal aid scheme, what is the best way forward in representing my self?Do I have a winning defence?I see no money judgement order in the Disclosure, what does this mean?Should I try and make an offer?Thank you in advance
5:38 PM

Seal67 said...

Hi, sorry I've just seen this I dont know how long ago it was posted, but I shall attempt to respond, while making clearly that this response is not given in professional capacity, please get advice as appropriate from a Solicitor or CAB.
Your enquiry does not make clear how much the principal sum on the original mortgage was. Any how, I shall repeat- if the shortfall referred to is interest only then it is plainly statute-barred, being covered by a simple contract. However, if the claim includes part of the principal sum i.e the money advanced on the house purchase, then it isn't, because the principal sum is covered by the mortgage deed, which is a contract of speciality. Also (even if interest only) if a demand was made for the money owed, then the limitation defence is watered down.
The letter of 6/11/2001, sadly amounts or could amount to a demand, hence there is an issue here unless you can reasonably argue that you did not receive the letter referred to. The said letter is slightly absurd in that clearly the property had been repossessed and as such any letter sent there, even if you hadn't moved out in 1990- could clearly not have been deemed to be proper service, especially as the Trace report provided a more reliable route of service. So I'd say give it a good fight, if the amount claimed is interest only, if relating to principal make an offer of a fraction of the principal and tough out the rest. The lender has already been compensated by Insurance and will settle for a fraction of the principal sum and maybe even forgo the interest. However cases do differ. I hope this proves useful.

SHORTFALLS ON MORTGAGE REPAYMENTS- A DIY FIGHT BACK KIT

There’s been a pretty choppy property market in the last few years, luckily all the doom and gloom predictions haven’t quite come true yet. Having said that we’re not out of the woods yet, the fact remains that the property market in the South-East is inflated, the hammer might yet fall.

This takes me back to the 80’s when the last crash in the market took place and the negative equity virus spread like wild-fire. If my memory serves me well, lots of home-owners simply walked away from their properties and let the Banks repossess them. A fairly simple solution ordinarily, however was it? In principle no, because there were usually shortfalls in the amount due to the Banks, since there was in any event a negative equity position. The Banks at the time didn’t bother, preferring to just let matters ride or in many other cases commencing Bankruptcy proceedings at the time against debtors….and getting nothing.

As it turned out the property market resurged in the mid-late 90’s, with the general air of prosperity prevalent in cool Britannia, people were making and spending money, some buoyed by cheap and available credit, others actually making good money, inclusive in this quota being some of the victims of the negative equity virus of the mid 80’s who equally had moved on and were making new starts acquiring property.

As is to be expected, on or about the first quarter of 2003, there was a spate of actions by Banks seeking to recover the monies owed them as shortfall on the Mortgage Loans in question. The easy (and admittedly most effective) tool of Debt Recovery in the 21st Century UK Economy is a Bankruptcy Petition or the threat of it against a person who owns visible assets. This appeared to be the preferred route for most of the Banks and did they go for it.

I had occasion to act in such a matter for a Client who was being chased by a Lender for a shortfall of £6000.00, which had now burgeoned into £48,000.00 (Interest). The property was repossessed in 1992, and the Bank served a Statutory Demand (which is the prelude to filing a Petition for Bankruptcy, essentially a warning to pay the Debt in the Demand within 21 days) in 2003. A Judgement had in the interim been obtained in the County Court in 1994.

We filed an application to set aside the Statutory Demand (which you are allowed to do within 18 days of being served with the Demand).We relied on the following:The Original Mortgage Loan was £25,000.00 and the property was sold by the Bank on repossession for £35, 000.00+ Hence the shortfall constituted of accrued Interest.

The Bankruptcy action ought to have been brought within Six years, since the Interest element was all that was being recovered and an action for Interest is an action under Simple Contract not a Speciality Contract such as a Mortgage Deed, upon which action may be brought within 12 years Being a principle established by the House of Lords in Bristol & West plc v Bartlett [2003] 1 WLR 284

A Bankruptcy Petition is not merely Enforcement of a Judgement but a distinct Cause of Action or Claim which is subject to the Rules on Limitation of Actions. (Applying IN RE JELLY and Section 6 of the Limitation Act 1980).

The High Court agreed with us and set aside the Statutory Demand, however it noted that they were still entitled- if they wished- to seek enforcement of the Judgement obtained in 1994, this of course not being within its power to deal with since they had come under a totally different procedure. I equally found it interesting that they hadn’t gone down that route, I later found out that the records of the Case in 1994 had been destroyed by the Court in 2000, hence enforcement was a problem. They did not bother appealing.

Simple lessons stemming from this in plain English:

If you owe your Bank a shortfall on a Mortgage, they have six years to come after you if the shortfall is on the Interest and 12 years if it consists of the Principal Mortgage Loan. This is because the Contract for Interest is separate for the Contract for the Principal Loan. The latter is contained in a Mortgage Deed, described as a Contract of Speciality, which as said has a 12 year time span for a Claim to be brought in Court as opposed to 6 years for the Contract for Interest, which is under what’s called a Simple Contract. This principle of Limitation applies to all actions for Money and is not necessarily restricted to Mortgage Shortfall cases.

The time is calculated from the date you default in your Mortgage repayment, i.e when “the cause of action accrues”. (This principle has recently been firmly established as the current Law on this subject by the House of Lords last year in West Bromwich Building Society v Wilkinson [2005] 1 WLR 2303)

If they do not do this then you can raise it as a defence to the Court action they’ve brought against you. Its called a Limitation Defence. Bear in mind however that if the Bank issues a demand after the cause of action “accrues”, then the Limitation period then has to be calculated from the date of the demand.

If however the Bank gets or has gotten Judgement against you, then there is no time limit for it to enforce the Judgement. Enforcement refers to action taken by a party at law to recover a Judgement its obtained, such as Attachment of Property (the good old Bailiffs), Attachment of Earnings, etc. For this there is no time limit. Be careful

In conclusion a word of warning, never ignore demand letters, always keep a conversation going with creditors and always demonstrate good faith by making a payment no matter how small. If however the Lenders adopt a rigid stance, talk to an IFA or a decent Solicitor. The main lesson is that in a capitalist world they never go away (debts that is- not the Solicitors and IFA’s).
© Edward Keazor